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« on: October 07, 2018, 10:54:40 PM »
Možda je trebalo u novi topik, ali može valjda i ovdje.

Program prve (?) SF konvencije, sa sve kosplejom, iz 1891. godine, a na temu knjige "Vril, the Power of the Coming Race".  :)



U sadržaju se pominje i neka Madame Mijatovich, koja bi mogla biti naše gore list.


EDIT: Madame Mijatovich je zapravo Elodie Lawton Mijatović, supruga srpskog političara i diplomate Čedomilja Mijatovića. Zanimljivo je da je prevodila na engleski srpske bajke i srpske narodne pjesme iz kosovskog ciklusa. I sama je pisala poeziju, a s obzirom na to da joj se pjesma našla u ovoj knjižici, možda je to i SF poezija.
"I am the end of Chaos, and of Order, depending upon how you view me. I mark a division. Beyond me other rules apply."

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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2018, 09:34:45 AM »
Stavljam ovo u novi topik jer je zapravo jako zanimljivo, naime, odavno postoji kontroverza oko najranijih konova, jer se zvanično uzima da je prvi worldcon održan 1939te u Njujorku:

Nycon I, the 1st World Science Fiction Convention
Genre   Science fiction
Venue   Caravan Hall
Location(s)   New York City
Country   United States
Inaugurated   July 2–4, 1939
Attendance   200


The First World Science Fiction Convention (Worldcon) was held in the Caravan Hall in New York from July 2 to July 4, 1939, in conjunction with the New York World's Fair, which was themed as "The World of Tomorrow". The convention was later named "Nycon I" by Forrest J Ackerman.The event had 200 participants.

Bilo bi zanimljivo videti po SF enciklopedijama ko je sve pominjao ove ranije…

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Lidija

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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2018, 09:45:31 AM »
A pošto nema konova bez fanova, evo nešto malo i o najranijim fandomima…



So where did ‘fandom’ begin?

Sherlock Holmes fans are widely believed to be the ones who first created an organised subculture that grew arms and legs and started the ball rolling on modern day fandom. When Arthur Conan Doyle killed off the titular character in his literary series, there was a public demonstration held where people publically mourned the death of the main character.

They called themselves The Baker Street Irregulars and created some of the first fan fiction as early as 1897 and 1902.

https://hexdimension.com/2015/05/for-the-fans-a-short-history-on-fandom/


i ovo:


Franz Liszt was a 19th-century Hungarian composer and pianist who inspired such a reaction from his fans that the writer Heinrich Heine created the term ‘Lisztomania’. Admires of  Liszt would fight over his handkerchiefs and gloves, wear his portrait on brooches try to get locks of his hair, or broken piano springs. Some fans even poured his left-over coffee into little glass phials! This quote is from a review of a recital in Paris.


”The ecstatic audience, breathing deeply in its rapt enthusiasm, can no longer hold back its shouts of acclaim: they stamp unceasingly with their feet, producing a dull and persistent sound that is punctuated by isolated, involuntary screams.”

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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2018, 02:45:50 PM »
Čedomilj Mijatović je jedan od pisaca koji su krajem XIX veka i početkom XX veka pisali pseudoistorijske romane. Najpoznatiji i najpopularniji predstavnici ove struje bili su Andra Gavrilović i Čedomilj Mijatović. U pojedinim romanima ima elemenata folklorne fantastike, pojave mitskih bića i sl. Njegovi najpoznatiji romani su Rajko od Rasine objavljen 1892. godine i Kraljičina Anđelija, koju je napisao u poznom dobu i objavio 1928. godine.
Inače, ovaj znameniti srpski političar, diplomata, ekonomista i istoričar živeo je od 1903, od majskog prevrata, u Londonu, sve do smrti 1932.
Nisam znao za aktivnosti njegove žene. Hvala na informacijama. Potražiću još detalja.

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Miodrag Milovanovic

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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2018, 03:26:21 PM »
Malo sam kopao...
Jack Williamson u tekstu u novinama The Sante Fe New Mexican od 26. juna 1940. kaže:
Even the youthful readers are uncommongly serious. They organise clubs, collect science ficion books and magazines, publish fan magazines of ther own, hold conventions. Last year’s convenction, in the New Yorks City, brought delegates from as far away as California and was reported in Time.
Očiglednom misli na konvenciju koju pominješ.

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Lidija

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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2018, 09:28:45 AM »
Šta tačno podrazumevaš pod “pseudoistorijski”? jel to neka vrsta alternativne istorije?

Nego, što se tog prvog kona tiče: Allen Steele, oldskul ubergikovski fan, je za svoj roman Arkwright konsultovao dva očevica (Bob Madle i David Kyle), i stavio u zaplet  vernu rekonstrukciju tog prvog kona. I da, deluje jako verno - u suštini, čak do te mere da pri čitanju maltene možeš lako da prepoznaš neke poznatije članove stare garde, toliko je dokumentaran po svojoj prirodi.

Koliko shvatam iz uzgrednih opaski, taj kon se računa kao prvi zato što je bio prvi worldcon, a ne čisto zbog hronologije. Isto tako, bio je organizovan po pitanju glavnih događanja i gostiju, pa je to udarilo obrazac koji su kasniji worlconovi sledili.

Vrlo zanimljiv deo Steelovog romana, zaista, taj opis prvog kona i ljudi na njemu.

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Miodrag Milovanovic

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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2018, 09:59:48 AM »
Pa ovo pseudoistorijski je više intuitivni termin. Pod njim sa podrazumevam pripovedanje u kome su istorijske činjenice (ako to uopšte postoji  :) ) iskrivljene, namerno ili slučajno. Sad sam malo guglao i vidim da Ajdačić ima neku sličnu definiciju.

http://www.rastko.rs/rastko/delo/14918

A što se tiče prvog worldcona, evo ti vrlo detaljan opis.

http://diyhistory.lib.uiowa.edu/items/show/4252

Mada, pobednici pišu istoriju, kao i svuda... Treba čitati i drugu stranu...

Fascinantno je zašto je uopšte došlo do svađe!

U stvari, čitava kolekcija je fantastična! Pazi da ti ne oduzme dosta vremena... ja sam morao da se suzdržavam...

http://diyhistory.lib.uiowa.edu/collections/show/18

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Lidija

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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2018, 10:23:28 AM »
Misliš na ona trvenja oko suzbijanja profašističkih tendencija?

"Michelism" was the name given to the general anti-facist attitude adopted by the New York fans shortly after the 3d Convention, named thus in honor of John B. Michel, author of "Mutation or Death". The New Yorker Futurians, and those throughout the US, and England, who agreed with their pro-science; anti-facist stand were known as "Michelists".

(Moram ovo stvarno detaljnije da overim kad vreme dozvoli, hvala za link.)

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Miodrag Milovanovic

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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2018, 10:54:23 AM »
Da. Ludilo. Metropolis kao izvor svađe!

Videla si kako je Metropolis najavljen u programu: a scientific fantasy of the future...  :)



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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2018, 11:17:02 AM »
Da, ali trvenja sa profašističkim spektrom predatiraju prvi worldcon, tak oda je to verovatno bilo pitanje slamke i kamiljih leđa:

Frederik Pohl joined science fiction fandom in the 1930s and quickly became an integral part of the New York science fiction scene.  He was denied entry to the first Worldcon in 1939 as part of the “Exclusion Act.”

a to je ovo:

The Guest of Honor at the first Worldcon was Frank R. Paul and the event was chaired by Sam Moskowitz. Along with Moskowitz, other organizers were James V. Taurasi and Will Sykora. Notable people attending included John W. Campbell, Isaac Asimov, L. Sprague de Camp, Ray Bradbury, Hannes Bok, Milton A. Rothman, John D. Clark, Jack Williamson, and Harry Harrison.

In addition to its groundbreaking role as the first of its kind, the convention was noteworthy for the exclusion of a number of politicized Futurians by convention chair Sam Moskowitz; those excluded were Donald A. Wollheim, Frederick Pohl, John Michel, Robert A. W. Lowndes, and Jack Gillespie, an event known to fannish historians as "The Great Exclusion Act."

According to Pohl, in his autobiography The Way the Future Was, the Futurians held their own counter-convention which was attended by several who went to the regular convention. He also downplayed the aspect that politics played, himself believing that it was a personality conflict between the convention organizers and the Futurians and said "We pretty nearly had it coming," continuing with "What we Futurians made very clear to the rest of New York fandom was that we thought we were better than they were. For some reason that annoyed them."

Ackerman and his girlfriend and fellow fanzine editor Myrtle R. Douglas ("Morojo") attended the convention in costumes designed and sewn by Douglas: this is considered a forerunner to modern fan costuming (which is known as "cosplay").

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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2018, 11:20:16 AM »
Pol je kasnije nastavio da bude uticajna figura kao urednik i pisac, i uvelike je oblikovao izdavačku politiku sve do novog talasa. Pokušavala sam da nabavim tu njegovu biografiju ali nisam je našla.

PS Ipak jesam :)

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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2018, 12:37:32 PM »
Zanimljivo je da se kao jedan od aktivnih učesnika konvencije javlja i neki naš zemljak Mario Racic jr. koji je sa Samom Moskowitzem izdavao par fanzina krajem 30tih i početkom 40tih.